OBD tuning - 1st review

[Guest cykp]

Hi guys,

Just gotten my C200 CGI fitted with OBD tuning kit. Thought I provide to you guys my first impression and the information needed to see if this mod is what you are looking for.

Installation:

1) I went to Dave's place which is at Woodlands for installation. The installation took about 45min. There are no cutting of wires and things like that needed. There are basically some wires connected to the sensors feeding information to the piggy back ecu. You can remove the ecu as and when required, however the additional wires harness connected to the sensor to the piggyback will still be intact, though most part of it will be hidden under the engine cover.

First impression:

1) Dave mentioned that it will take about 100km to run in the ECU to experience the full potential of the power. Now I've only traveled maybe half of that, and what's I'm giving here is my very first initial feedback.

2) Most of the power came in around 2500-4000 rpm while moving. Increased power is evident on 2nd and 3rd gear, however I don't think it is going to improve my 0-100 timing by 0.5 sec. Maybe it's too early to tell now as the ECU is still adjusting to my driving style.

3) For owners experiencing engine shivering while you are moving at slow speed (like in a manual car when you did not give it enough throttle, and the engine feels like almost cutting off) , especially while parking this upgrade seems to have solved this problem. Don't take my word for it now, let me take it for a few more parking rounds to confirm my findings.

4) If you like the improvement you get from a performance air filter, then surely getting this ECU upgrade will give you more satisfaction and fun driving your car. However if you want that GTR feel and Gs pulling on your neck while accelerating, this mod is not enough to get you anywhere near that.

I'll test it for a few more miles and keep you guys updated. :becky:

[Guest vt5sport]

Thks for sharing. :thumb:

Juz to clarify; when u say engine shivering - do u mean turbo lag?

[Guest Sanjay]

cykp wrote:

Hi guys,

Just gotten my C200 CGI fitted with OBD tuning kit. Thought I provide to you guys my first impression and the information needed to see if this mod is what you are looking for.

Installation:

1) I went to Dave's place which is at Woodlands for installation. The installation took about 45min. There are no cutting of wires and things like that needed. There are basically some wires connected to the sensors feeding information to the piggy back ecu. You can remove the ecu as and when required, however the additional wires harness connected to the sensor to the piggyback will still be intact, though most part of it will be hidden under the engine cover.

First impression:

1) Dave mentioned that it will take about 100km to run in the ECU to experience the full potential of the power. Now I've only traveled maybe half of that, and what's I'm giving here is my very first initial feedback.

2) Most of the power came in around 2500-4000 rpm while moving. Increased power is evident on 2nd and 3rd gear, however I don't think it is going to improve my 0-100 timing by 0.5 sec. Maybe it's too early to tell now as the ECU is still adjusting to my driving style.

3) For owners experiencing engine shivering while you are moving at slow speed (like in a manual car when you did not give it enough throttle, and the engine feels like almost cutting off) , especially while parking this upgrade seems to have solved this problem. Don't take my word for it now, let me take it for a few more parking rounds to confirm my findings.

4) If you like the improvement you get from a performance air filter, then surely getting this ECU upgrade will give you more satisfaction and fun driving your car. However if you want that GTR feel and Gs pulling on your neck while accelerating, this mod is not enough to get you anywhere near that.

I'll test it for a few more miles and keep you guys updated. :becky:

looking forward to the update

[Guest cykp]

The "shivering" that I'm referring to is not turbo lag. Now I'm not too sure if it's with my 19' wheels, or it's a design with the car. The car has this feeling whenever I'm traveling at slow speed, in this case the car park . It is not a matter of down shift or things like that. I've tried switching to manual 1st gear still having this Shivering from the engine.

Anyway I'm not too sure if other C200 owners have this problem, but at least with this upgrade it's gone now.

I do not think C200 has any significant turbo lag. The lag that we are referring too in this case is the delay on the throttle signal to the engine. I read in other forums that the Sprint booster is design to solve this problem, but I've not tried it so no comment.

[Guest st8800]

cykp wrote:

The "shivering" that I'm referring to is not turbo lag. Now I'm not too sure if it's with my 19' wheels, or it's a design with the car. The car has this feeling whenever I'm traveling at slow speed, in this case the car park . It is not a matter of down shift or things like that. I've tried switching to manual 1st gear still having this Shivering from the engine.

Anyway I'm not too sure if other C200 owners have this problem, but at least with this upgrade it's gone now.

I do not think C200 has any significant turbo lag. The lag that we are referring too in this case is the delay on the throttle signal to the engine. I read in other forums that the Sprint booster is design to solve this problem, but I've not tried it so no comment.

Bro, just to share with u my previous experience with piggyback ECUs. I used to own a Lancer GT and put in piggyback ECU. Everything went fine but one day my engine check light lit up. Later, my car started to stall intermittently. I went back to C&C. They reset the error and said they said they couldn't do anything until the ECU is removed. They added they could actually void my warranty but they won't do it... just ask me to remove ECU and they will look into the problem again.

I went back to the tuner and the tuner came down and check. He later said that the problem was due to transmission or sensor there. I went back to C&C and they say no use... they won't look at car until my ECU is taken out.

No choice, I LL have to arrange tuner to remove... at a price. After that, the engine check light still came on. I then brought back the car to C&C. They even change my Hurricane air filter back to original one and also fix the sensor. All in all, I probably made about 4-5 trips to C&C before problem solved.

Later, I sold the ECU at half price.

Hope your car is not still in warranty. Quite a painful experience for me.

[Guest cykp]

Thank u bro for the feedback. My problem was before installing the ecu. The piggyback solved my problem actually. Anyway the ecu is plug and play, and u can remove it anytime by urself.

[Guest cykp]

Ok this is the second report:

1) I did a reset of the ECU, as of turning the ignition to start, press the throttle for 5 sec before turning it to off position. I thought this would be a better method rather then waiting for the ECU to "run in". Well the question is did it work?

2) Yes the car is definitely pulling a lot more stronger in the 2k-4k RPM. In fact this light tune is very suitable for daily driving, it is however definitely not for track purpose.

3) Dave mentioned that he had installed 6 x C200 without any complaint what so ever. I believe him cos you could easily check things out by doing a search in google. Also he is in the business for several years. It is worthwhile to mention that the technology used is from UK, with the equipment from Germany.

4) Now Brabus has B20s tuning kit offering the same specs. However I believe it is like over $6000. This includes a new intercooler though. However stage 1 tuning kit is already $3800 I believe. Well I think the math is simple. With OBD is only $25 per horse, compared to $95 per horse. Now if Brabus were to offer warranty just like in Europe I would have gladly paid for that premium, sadly it's only 1 yr product warranty and C&C does not have a tie up where they recognized Brabus warranty in Spore.

Well maybe it's too early to make any conclusion, but it's a risk that I am willing to take. If any brother has already installed the ECU please feel free share your comment.

[Guest io5885]

Bro st8800,

CnC removed ur hurricane filter cos of ???

1) ride under warranty so they kept everything stock

OR

2) hurricane "harmful" to ur ride? cos i'm using hurricane filter too..:Cry:

Bro cykp,

I oso experienced the "shivering" too, everytime in MSCP ard 5-10 km/h.

Tink the car shivers cos of too little power given to move the 1.5 ton body...

Taboleh tahan... LoLz :ballchain:

[Guest chiaster]

bro cykp, good stuff with the updates... looking forward to more reports from you... will be interesting to see some insights on fuel economy too... :becky:

[Guest hkhamateur]

Hi bro cykp,

Glad to recieved your kind sharing, thx. :becky:

Ok bro, your quote no: "3) For owners experiencing engine shivering while you are moving at slow speed (like in a manual car when you did not give it enough throttle, and the engine feels like almost cutting off) , especially while parking this upgrade seems to have solved this problem. Don't take my word for it now, let me take it for a few more parking rounds to confirm my findings."

It shld be the OBD patent programming. Their mapping that transform your ecu to run lean instead of rich which most manufacturers does inorder to have higher torque. In one way, this formula saved fuel as well as giving you better power at the designated rpm (approx. 2600-2900rpm) depend'g on the tuner and in the other, the selection of cheaper fuel grade you can pick for your ride without losing power. Usually most tuner(s) will prefered a ride with a branded performance Air filter bcoz their results will turn you up for the phase II tuning and so on if there's any. With it and if you're experiencing engine shivering at low speed, 1) check your stock filter as it may need a change 2) check your A/F sensor 3) check any loose or inproper wired connection. Kindly correct me if I'm incorrect any bros out there. Thx. :music:

[Guest cykp]

Hi hkhamatuer,

thank u for the msg. Maybe my msg is wasn't written clearly, but i just want to clarify again that shivering that im experiencing has nothing to do with the installation of OBD piggyback.

[Guest tsktsk]

actually it would be interesting to see the pre n post dyno chart... again from my very limited jap car experience with piggyback, the tuned map will only be used during Open Loop which again i understood to be during start up or when running high load so most time car is running in close loop so factory setting is used.

it will also be interesting to understand what is the pre n post Air Fuel Ratio as the bros here remarked that factory setting is usually richer in fuel (to protect the engine) while tuning will either tune for more air same fuel (leaner) or tune for less fuel same air (leaner as well).

definitely camping here for more info... coz i also gian :becky:

[Guest st8800]

cykp wrote:

Thank u bro for the feedback. My problem was before installing the ecu. The piggyback solved my problem actually. Anyway the ecu is plug and play, and u can remove it anytime by urself.

Bro cykp

I see, then not so bad... mine needed a tuner to take out.... half an hour work.

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Bro io5885

C&C style is that if your ride not stock, they will make it stock before they start to troubleshoot your car. I don't think Hurricane is harmful to our car though. As like most sports filter... more air = dirtier filter = shorter interval of servicing.

[Guest barker]

cykp wrote:

Ok this is the second report:

1) I did a reset of the ECU, as of turning the ignition to start, press the throttle for 5 sec before turning it to off position. I thought this would be a better method rather then waiting for the ECU to "run in". Well the question is did it work?

2) Yes the car is definitely pulling a lot more stronger in the 2k-4k RPM. In fact this light tune is very suitable for daily driving, it is however definitely not for track purpose.

3) Dave mentioned that he had installed 6 x C200 without any complaint what so ever. I believe him cos you could easily check things out by doing a search in google. Also he is in the business for several years. It is worthwhile to mention that the technology used is from UK, with the equipment from Germany.

4) Now Brabus has B20s tuning kit offering the same specs. However I believe it is like over $6000. This includes a new intercooler though. However stage 1 tuning kit is already $3800 I believe. Well I think the math is simple. With OBD is only $25 per horse, compared to $95 per horse. Now if Brabus were to offer warranty just like in Europe I would have gladly paid for that premium, sadly it's only 1 yr product warranty and C&C does not have a tie up where they recognized Brabus warranty in Spore.

Well maybe it's too early to make any conclusion, but it's a risk that I am willing to take. If any brother has already installed the ECU please feel free share your comment.

Hi bro i have installed the brabus B20 on my C200 CGI together with the brabus quad exhaust. Kindly note the mod with the intercooler is the B20 S. Here is what I think.

1) Compared to stock, it provides me with 1 hell of a ride (runs in conjuction with a sprint booster). Throttle extreamly responsive and power kicks in from 2,500 rpm to about 5,000 rpm.

2) Have sent by car in for the normal 15,000km servicing at C&C with no problems warrenty wise.

3)When cruising at about 90km/hr if I suddenly open the throttle, after the car down shifts, the whole car judders as though i'm running on the road cheveron before it takes off. At first I thought it was because the air coming out from the exhaust was too great (back then was stock exhaust) However after I put in the Brabus quad exhaust still same prob. CnC and my workshop unable to give me an explanation why. However this prob is intermittent so I still can live with it.

Over all, I don't regret installing the Brabus B20. My only regret was not installing the Brabus B20S. However with the B20S you'll definately void your warrenty.

Hope this was helpful =)

[Guest E-CAB]

:first: For you.

I was looking at the Brabus quads too. Can advise on the cost?

You can PM me if not convenient to reveal in public.

Fitted and tuned by site sponsor First Automobile?

Tks

barker wrote:

Hi bro i have installed the brabus B20 on my C200 CGI together with the brabus quad exhaust. Kindly note the mod with the intercooler is the B20 S. Here is what I think.

1) Compared to stock, it provides me with 1 hell of a ride (runs in conjuction with a sprint booster). Throttle extreamly responsive and power kicks in from 2,500 rpm to about 5,000 rpm.

2) Have sent by car in for the normal 15,000km servicing at C&C with no problems warrenty wise.

3)When cruising at about 90km/hr if I suddenly open the throttle, after the car down shifts, the whole car judders as though i'm running on the road cheveron before it takes off. At first I thought it was because the air coming out from the exhaust was too great (back then was stock exhaust) However after I put in the Brabus quad exhaust still same prob. CnC and my workshop unable to give me an explanation why. However this prob is intermittent so I still can live with it.

Over all, I don't regret installing the Brabus B20. My only regret was not installing the Brabus B20S. However with the B20S you'll definately void your warrenty.

Hope this was helpful =)

[Guest barker]

just PM u bro =)

E-CAB wrote:

:first: For you.

I was looking at the Brabus quads too. Can advise on the cost?

You can PM me if not convenient to reveal in public.

Fitted and tuned by site sponsor First Automobile?

Tks

[Guest kepiting1sg]

barker wrote:

Hi bro i have installed the brabus B20 on my C200 CGI together with the brabus quad exhaust. Kindly note the mod with the intercooler is the B20 S. Here is what I think.

1) Compared to stock, it provides me with 1 hell of a ride (runs in conjuction with a sprint booster). Throttle extreamly responsive and power kicks in from 2,500 rpm to about 5,000 rpm.

2) Have sent by car in for the normal 15,000km servicing at C&C with no problems warrenty wise.

3)When cruising at about 90km/hr if I suddenly open the throttle, after the car down shifts, the whole car judders as though i'm running on the road cheveron before it takes off. At first I thought it was because the air coming out from the exhaust was too great (back then was stock exhaust) However after I put in the Brabus quad exhaust still same prob. CnC and my workshop unable to give me an explanation why. However this prob is intermittent so I still can live with it.

Over all, I don't regret installing the Brabus B20. My only regret was not installing the Brabus B20S. However with the B20S you'll definately void your warrenty.

Hope this was helpful =)

If U have pre & post dyno results that might tell some thing about what U are having?

[Guest cykp]

Bro we can meet up to drive each other car to know the difference. Quad exhuast is on my list of mod too. I believe its about $6000 w installation

[Guest cykp]

2nd Review

After running the car for 5 days it's time for update:

1) I must say this mod is worth it, and money well spent. I'm enjoying everyday of it. :becky: Everyday I look forward for a long stretch of road so that I can open the throttle and feel the power in this car. After the "run in" period the car feels a lot more responsive, and even in higher gear there is no need to down shift to feel the power. I no longer need to push down that hard on the throttle to get the car moving. If you needed more punch press on the "S" button and this time it's not just the harder suspension and the car dragging the gear longer. The car will down shift readily with any slight push of the throttle, and with the increase power band the car just felt so much more enjoyable to drive. It's hard to describe in words, but if you feel the power with a change in performance air filter, then I would rate the feel of this tuning is like having many times of that. Now of cos the best thing would be to dyno it, but hey you can tell the difference with that extra 40 HP and 45 torque.

2) For those guys driving C200 with that "shivering" feel. This mod will correct that. I work around Harbour front, and have been driving up MSCP. Tested and pass! :bounce: no more "shivering"

3) Fuel consumption has been hovering around 8-9 L per KM. Please take note that this is city driving and I'm on 19' + my foot is a lot more heavier after the mod. Temperature of the car remains unchanged at 90 degree even when driven hard.

I'll be going for my 1st service soon, and hope everything will be alright. Will keep you guys updated again. Next mod Quad exhaust and 2012 FL LED tail lights. :becky::becky:

[Guest Andlee]

Congrats on your new mod..Glad that you are enjoying your car. That is the most important regardless what mod you do..Happy driving

[Guest hkhamateur]

cykp wrote:

Hi guys,

Just gotten my C200 CGI fitted with OBD tuning kit. Thought I provide to you guys my first impression and the information needed to see if this mod is what you are looking for.

Installation:

1) I went to Dave's place which is at Woodlands for installation. The installation took about 45min. There are no cutting of wires and things like that needed. There are basically some wires connected to the sensors feeding information to the piggy back ecu. You can remove the ecu as and when required, however the additional wires harness connected to the sensor to the piggyback will still be intact, though most part of it will be hidden under the engine cover.

First impression:

1) Dave mentioned that it will take about 100km to run in the ECU to experience the full potential of the power. Now I've only traveled maybe half of that, and what's I'm giving here is my very first initial feedback.

2) Most of the power came in around 2500-4000 rpm while moving. Increased power is evident on 2nd and 3rd gear, however I don't think it is going to improve my 0-100 timing by 0.5 sec. Maybe it's too early to tell now as the ECU is still adjusting to my driving style.

3) For owners experiencing engine shivering while you are moving at slow speed (like in a manual car when you did not give it enough throttle, and the engine feels like almost cutting off) , especially while parking this upgrade seems to have solved this problem. Don't take my word for it now, let me take it for a few more parking rounds to confirm my findings.

4) If you like the improvement you get from a performance air filter, then surely getting this ECU upgrade will give you more satisfaction and fun driving your car. However if you want that GTR feel and Gs pulling on your neck while accelerating, this mod is not enough to get you anywhere near that.

I'll test it for a few more miles and keep you guys updated. :becky:

Bro cykp,

Just wonder didnt you join the grp buy for this OBD tuning which they offer? If nt, mind to share with me the premium you have paid for? via pm or email me at [email protected]

Thanks bro. :bounce:

[Guest cykp]

hkhamateur wrote:

Bro cykp,

Just wonder didnt you join the grp buy for this OBD tuning which they offer? If nt, mind to share with me the premium you have paid for? via pm or email me at [email protected]

Thanks bro. :bounce:

I paid the standard quoted price of $980. Would like to join the group but its just taking too long.

[Guest hkhamateur]

cykp wrote:

2nd Review

After running the car for 5 days it's time for update:

1) I must say this mod is worth it, and money well spent. I'm enjoying everyday of it. :becky: Everyday I look forward for a long stretch of road so that I can open the throttle and feel the power in this car. After the "run in" period the car feels a lot more responsive, and even in higher gear there is no need to down shift to feel the power. I no longer need to push down that hard on the throttle to get the car moving. If you needed more punch press on the "S" button and this time it's not just the harder suspension and the car dragging the gear longer. The car will down shift readily with any slight push of the throttle, and with the increase power band the car just felt so much more enjoyable to drive. It's hard to describe in words, but if you feel the power with a change in performance air filter, then I would rate the feel of this tuning is like having many times of that. Now of cos the best thing would be to dyno it, but hey you can tell the difference with that extra 40 HP and 45 torque.

2) For those guys driving C200 with that "shivering" feel. This mod will correct that. I work around Harbour front, and have been driving up MSCP. Tested and pass! :bounce: no more "shivering"

3) Fuel consumption has been hovering around 8-9 L per KM. Please take note that this is city driving and I'm on 19' + my foot is a lot more heavier after the mod. Temperature of the car remains unchanged at 90 degree even when driven hard.

I'll be going for my 1st service soon, and hope everything will be alright. Will keep you guys updated again. Next mod Quad exhaust and 2012 FL LED tail lights. :becky::becky:

Yo bro cykp,

Thx fr e reply n congrats on yr satisfied tuned. I wished i ll be next soon bcoz drooling alr. :llama: By any chance if u hve yr dyno done, share w us the pre n post. Thx. :becky:

Next, i ve a offer fm Mcwell fr e tuning as well. Package cw K&N drop-in filter and by Dimsports. Any bros has came across n shared? i ve witnessed their testimonial for dynos on Audi A3, A4, BMW 3series n others but nt merc.

[Guest TKL]

Had my W211 E240 done some 3 weeks ago in a MSP. I wish I had not done that.

1. Engine became very noisy.

2. There is powder gain but very marginal basing on my butt feeling.

3. Was told that FC will improve, but it is not happening.

[Guest PALMER19]

TKL wrote:

Had my W211 E240 done some 3 weeks ago in a MSP. I wish I had not done that.

1. Engine became very noisy.

2. There is powder gain but very marginal basing on my butt feeling.

3. Was told that FC will improve, but it is not happening.

Looks like the effect of the K&N filter. My experience after the filter change:

1. Engine is nosier. More growl.

2. Response based on tacho is faster. Don't think there is any increase in power.

3. There seems to be an improvement in FC, but I'm still monitoring.