W211 E200 Kompressor Fuel Consumption?

[Guest netuse38]

Considering a pre-owned 08 W211 E230, but oil price keeps going up....and I do mainly (>80%) city driving....Perhaps a W211 E200 is a better idea than W230 cause I understand that W211 E200 has a better FC than E230 right? Any bro has first hand info to share?

Oh, by the way, if buy from direct owner, understand that there's a company called Chicago who can help to handle documents (transfer doc, insurance and loans, etc) for both buyer and seller FOR FREE:

http://www.sgcarmart.com/ads/chicago/direct_buyer.php

Interesting that they do it for free even not buying from them when some 2nd hand dealers try to impose so-called "admin fee" even if buying from them? Do they earns commission from finance company and insurance company? Anyone has experience with them? If not, any experience with middle-man of this sort who can help to take care of all paper work? Worry that too tedious to handle all these docs on own, later make mistake then dip sh!t.

Cheers!

[Guest kepiting1sg]

IMHO,

If FC is not a "major concern"

The E230 is a better car:-

No SC whine and expect a much quieter ride with the 2.5L NA V6 engine and a smoother & better 7 G-Tronics Gear box!

[Guest klooless]

I can only manage around 15L/100KM on my '08 E200K. Perhaps it's my lead foot; all the 4 cars I've previously owned never managed to attain the average fuel consumption for that model.

I know absolutely nothing about the company you mentioned, but I believe nothing is for free, at the end of the day, the salary of the guys who do the legwork for you needs to be paid out of somewhere.

[Guest bossbthk]

on average ... im doing 13l/100km .... good car no complaint ... apart from electronics on board which tend to let go as the car aged ... and yes the gears are not tht fantastic ...

[Guest bbwannabe]

chigago probably earns from the kick backs from insurance and loan. if you find admin folks to do it for you, they are wiling to kick back up to 1% from loan and 0.5% from insurance. done it before on both counts.

i also do about 80% city driving and keep a record like a freaking army driver! haha...

7.96 KM/Liter

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7.74 KM/Liter

7.28 KM/Liter

Since last year Feb. I only pump when it is really empty (0-1 bars left). Some records omitted because I had to pump when it was fuller.

[Guest netuse38]

bbwannabe wrote:

chigago probably earns from the kick backs from insurance and loan. if you find admin folks to do it for you, they are wiling to kick back up to 1% from loan and 0.5% from insurance. done it before on both counts.

i also do about 80% city driving and keep a record like a freaking army driver! haha...

7.96 KM/Liter

8.33 KM/Liter

8.76 KM/Liter

8.97 KM/Liter

8.80 KM/Liter

7.85 KM/Liter

9.51 KM/Liter

8.15 KM/Liter

7.87 KM/Liter

7.96 KM/Liter

8.96 KM/Liter

8.87 KM/Liter

7.77 KM/Liter

9.13 KM/Liter

8.21 KM/Liter

7.89 KM/Liter

8.43 KM/Liter

8.33 KM/Liter

8.55 KM/Liter

7.13 KM/Liter

6.94 KM/Liter

7.97 KM/Liter

7.31 KM/Liter

7.58 KM/Liter

7.50 KM/Liter

7.66 KM/Liter

7.74 KM/Liter

7.61 KM/Liter

8.54 KM/Liter

7.51 KM/Liter

8.56 KM/Liter

7.40 KM/Liter

7.47 KM/Liter

7.21 KM/Liter

5.10 KM/Liter

7.50 KM/Liter

6.65 KM/Liter

7.74 KM/Liter

7.28 KM/Liter

Since last year Feb. I only pump when it is really empty (0-1 bars left). Some records omitted because I had to pump when it was fuller.

Wow, you're to certain extent, obssessive....but also impressive. Thanks very much for the detailed info indeed!

[Guest netuse38]

Thanks all bros for the useful input.

It seems that the result is rather consistent - avg about 6.5-8Km/L or 12-15L/Km. That is honestly not particularly frugal......

I know someone driving a E90 325i, mostly city driving clocking about 7Km/L and I take that as a gauge for E60 523/525, and thought that E211 W200k would give better FC due to the use of Kompressor. So apparently this may not the case.

Actually it may occur the FC of E200 is comparable to that of E230?

So it seems that the new generation CGI is really more friendly on FC?

Sigh....I know one shouldn't be too concern about FC when talking about car of this class but with the everyday-going-up pump price, just can't help to take that into account....

Oh, so when buying from direct owner, most of you would also try to go through a middle man to help the paper work, right?

Cheers!

[Guest actioneer]

Actually all FC figures quoted depends on the route by a lot. My 05 E200 Kompressor on 100% city mode is 6.5-7.5 km/l 1st off the line mood (heavy foot), 7.5-8km/l on normal mood (gentle foot), which is the same as my former ride with V6 engine 2.36L, on exactly the same route for at least 3 yrs. On the same route even 1.6L Corolla can only do 9km/L +- (drove long time ago for 4yrs).

But, on a straight highway, eg to Tuas from Simei, I can achieve 14km/l on the best day. Very consistent. On my way to KL, its around 13.8km/l. So a 3 quarter tank from Simei, by the time even through SG+MY custom jam, I would hit KL with around 30-40% fuel left. I had tried once not pumping in KL even after driving around, drove back to SG and pump somewhere within JB. In short, a full tank on E200 Kompressor can go up to KL and back to SG without problem if there is no major jam.

Thus, if you have 50% highway + 50% city then the FC will look good.I gets 9km/l on 30% highway 70% city. Don't listen to people who says Toyota can do xx km/l. I have done it for years on the same route. Once heavy foot + jam + 100% city, all if not most cars will go under 10km/l.

Lastly, you will be surprised 2km/l only comes up to very little money a yr (search MCF or do your maths). Let us enjoy our rides seriously, and don't be enslave to a km-per-litre mentality. Cheers!

[Guest netuse38]

actioneer wrote:

Actually all FC figures quoted depends on the route by a lot. My 05 E200 Kompressor on 100% city mode is 6.5-7.5 km/l 1st off the line mood (heavy foot), 7.5-8km/l on normal mood (gentle foot), which is the same as my former ride with V6 engine 2.36L, on exactly the same route for at least 3 yrs. On the same route even 1.6L Corolla can only do 9km/L +- (drove long time ago for 4yrs).

But, on a straight highway, eg to Tuas from Simei, I can achieve 14km/l on the best day. Very consistent. On my way to KL, its around 13.8km/l. So a 3 quarter tank from Simei, by the time even through SG+MY custom jam, I would hit KL with around 30-40% fuel left. I had tried once not pumping in KL even after driving around, drove back to SG and pump somewhere within JB. In short, a full tank on E200 Kompressor can go up to KL and back to SG without problem if there is no major jam.

Thus, if you have 50% highway + 50% city then the FC will look good.I gets 9km/l on 30% highway 70% city. Don't listen to people who says Toyota can do xx km/l. I have done it for years on the same route. Once heavy foot + jam + 100% city, all if not most cars will go under 10km/l.

Lastly, you will be surprised 2km/l only comes up to very little money a yr (search MCF or do your maths). Let us enjoy our rides seriously, and don't be enslave to a km-per-litre mentality. Cheers!

"you will be surprised 2km/l only comes up to very little money a yr" true, that is definitely not a lot of $$ but then, ...hahaha....feel good mah.....when one can say, save 20% of a gas bill that turns out to be say only $40 a month.....

Just that I originally thought that for city driving, a TC/SC (1.8L to 2L)would be quite a bit better FC than IL6/V6 (2.5L) cause have read a lot that TC/SC is better for start/stop traffic than NA, so apparently this isn't exactly the case.....

Thanks for sharing!

[Guest netuse38]

actioneer wrote:

Actually all FC figures quoted depends on the route by a lot. My 05 E200 Kompressor on 100% city mode is 6.5-7.5 km/l 1st off the line mood (heavy foot), 7.5-8km/l on normal mood (gentle foot), which is the same as my former ride with V6 engine 2.36L, on exactly the same route for at least 3 yrs. On the same route even 1.6L Corolla can only do 9km/L +- (drove long time ago for 4yrs).

But, on a straight highway, eg to Tuas from Simei, I can achieve 14km/l on the best day. Very consistent. On my way to KL, its around 13.8km/l. So a 3 quarter tank from Simei, by the time even through SG+MY custom jam, I would hit KL with around 30-40% fuel left. I had tried once not pumping in KL even after driving around, drove back to SG and pump somewhere within JB. In short, a full tank on E200 Kompressor can go up to KL and back to SG without problem if there is no major jam.

Thus, if you have 50% highway + 50% city then the FC will look good.I gets 9km/l on 30% highway 70% city. Don't listen to people who says Toyota can do xx km/l. I have done it for years on the same route. Once heavy foot + jam + 100% city, all if not most cars will go under 10km/l.

Lastly, you will be surprised 2km/l only comes up to very little money a yr (search MCF or do your maths). Let us enjoy our rides seriously, and don't be enslave to a km-per-litre mentality. Cheers!

But, on a straight highway, eg to Tuas from Simei, I can achieve 14km/l on the best day.

So actually, contrary to my original belief where TC/SC favors start/stop traffic, it seems it favour more about cruising. I'm sure your old V6 can at most do 10-11km/l for that, right? Honestly, if E200 can do 14km/l for highway cruising it is quite impressive FC....though it defeat my idea when I'm considering FC for mostly city traffic.

[Guest Zjared]

netuse38 wrote:

"you will be surprised 2km/l only comes up to very little money a yr" true, that is definitely not a lot of $$ but then, ...hahaha....feel good mah.....when one can say, save 20% of a gas bill that turns out to be say only $40 a month.....

Just that I originally thought that for city driving, a TC/SC (1.8L to 2L)would be quite a bit better FC than IL6/V6 (2.5L) cause have read a lot that TC/SC is better for start/stop traffic than NA, so apparently this isn't exactly the case.....

Thanks for sharing!

To feel really good is to step and step and step on the accelerator. I'm always the first car to move off at traffic light. I dislike people who slowly move like a tortoise. This is not considerate. I'm saying this in general, not targetting anyone. I always tell my wife, if drive a car so tedious, must control this, save this, save that, might as well ride a bicycle. Some people save coupon, anyhow park along road side, do illegal u-turn when there is a u turn in front, do all kinds of funny thing to save the penny.

[Guest actioneer]

netuse38 wrote:

So actually, contrary to my original belief where TC/SC favors start/stop traffic, it seems it favour more about cruising.

SC has no lag and always sucks engine power to create more power, so heavy right foot = power [1st off the line] and high FC. TC has slight lag as if is no returning exhaust there is no additional power boost. So have to step a bit to hit the rpm band quickly for a quick kick in. Both kind in start/stop traffic + get up to speed fast mentality = high FC.

netuse38 wrote:

... I'm sure your old V6 can at most do 10-11km/l for that, right?

On highway my former V6 always do 13.8km/l to KL, again consistently since I drove the same route for years. But in SG 100% city style, 6.5km/l. Big CC car idling = high fuel burning unless its Honds Legend type which can shut down 3 cylinders by computer. So in that sense, SC (Kompressor) is not efficient for Start/Stop traffic, but power is there and drive is not bad :becky:

[Guest st8800]

On my W211 E200 tuned to 204 bph running on Caltex 98, I get the following:

1) 90% highway, 20% city - 8.5l per 100km (1l - 11.76km)

2) 100% city - 15l per 100km (1l - 6.66km)

3) average for last 5000km - 11.3l per 100km (1l - 8.85km)

If I were u, I will take the E230 without doubt. :bounce: